EP 163: The future of health is personalised

getting a user manual for your own genes & Understanding what you genes are and how they are expressing.

Wouldn't it be great if your body came with a user manual?
Which foods should you eat, and which ones should you avoid?
When, and how often should you be eating?
What type of exercise does your body respond best to, and when is it best to exercise?
Discover the social interactions that will energize you and uncover your natural gifts and talents.
These are just some of the questions you'll uncover the answers to in the Epigenetics Testing Program along with many others.
There's a good reason why epigenetics is being hailed as the "future of personalised health", as it unlocks the user manual you'll wish you'd been born with! No more guesswork. The program, developed by an international team of independent doctors, researchers, and technology programmers for over 15 years, uses a powerful epigenetics analysis platform informed by 100% evidenced-based medical research. The platform uses over 500 algorithms and 10,000 data points per user, to analyze body measurement and lifestyle stress data, that can all be captured from the comfort of your own home.
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Transcript of the Podcast:
Speaker 1: (00:01)
Welcome to pushing the limits. The show that helps you reach your full potential with your host. Lisa Thomas brought to you by Lisa Tamati.com. Well, hi everyone. And welcome back to pushing the limits. Fantastic to have you with me again and today I have my best buddy, Neil Wagstaff, new, how you doing? How are you? Very good now. And for those who don't know us, Neil is my business partner and running hot coaching. And, uh, he's also been my coach for God knows way too long, cause we're way too old now new way and have a huge history. And he's been on this podcast a number of times and we have shared, uh, many different, uh, aspects of what we do and some of their expertise. Um, certainly Neil has a huge background as an exercise physiologist and a coach, and pretty much you name it, he's done it in the fitness industry.

Speaker 1: (00:54)
Um, and today's topic is going to be all around all about something called epigenetics, very big word. And you probably go, what the hell is that? Well, you would have heard of DNA and how we all have different DNA that we've inherited from our mom and dad. And you might have heard of gene testing and how important this can be. And we've done a few episodes here on the podcast recently with dr. Mentor Muhammad, which was very fascinating looking at specific genes and what that means for you. But today's one is about epigenetics. So epi means above genes. So this is what influences your genes. So you're born with a code from mum and dad. You inherited genes from mom and dad. And from this, this is like your blueprint. So if you think of this about like an architect, who's done the blueprints for your house, your jeans, or your blueprints, and you build a build your house. And it's what the builder does that actually influences your genes. If you like. So this is your environment, what you eat, what you sleep. We knew how much exercise you do. Uh, what toxins you're exposed to. All of these things are actually going to affect your genes and what expresses and what doesn't. So we're going to talk you through a program that we use at running hot coaching, and we've had fantastic success with it. What it's all about and explain a little bit. So Neil, we do want to start with us

Speaker 2: (02:22)
As a, that's a good question. A big question. Well, a good place to start is when we were, we were personally as athlete in and, and coach, um, feeling confused as to some of the results that we were getting your training. And then as we applied the training to our, so our members that running vocation as well, wondering why we're getting different results. Um, so from a sport point of view, we started raising some pretty significant questions as why some people getting results, others weren't on exactly the same program. Um, was it down to effort or was it down to motivation or was it down to the environment they were training and how their genes were expressing? Um, so how we got to where we, where we got with it and also, which I'll get you to, to probably explain as well Lisa's we were asking more and more questions, especially when, um, around your mom's health as well. We started asking a lot of personal questions about around health questions, about, um, our family's health and then those we're working with and coaching and the same with the RJ moment have a lot more, which is why are people not getting the results that they could be and should be, and what's stopping that happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1: (03:27)
So it's, it's looking at, you know, um, before jeans came on the site and the science of epigenetics and DNA testing and so on, it was a one size fits all program. We were all taught. And when you studied, certainly you knew with your exercise science background, you studied stuff. If you do this, you create that adaptation. Then your body should get stronger or, or lose weight or do things, you know, calories in calories out, uh, strength training causes us response in the body and so on, but it was all a one size fits all approach. And that was all we had to go on. And then you'd have these people who got fantastic results just after the, you know, as the book says it should happen. And then you would get people who dieting for forever, uh, exercising for Africa. And this is something that I experienced as well and not getting the results that they deserved and getting very, very frustrated and wondering why the guy next door, who's eating fish and chips every night and drinking beer has got a six pack and I slugging my guts out and I'm, I'm not getting anywhere.

Speaker 1: (04:32)
And so this is what seemed to us into this direction. And then when my mum had her aneurysm, um, we really wanted to tailor rehabilitation plan to her genes. And we came across this program, which has really been a game changer for us in what we do as a business and in our personal lives. And it's certainly changed the trajectory of my health and Neil's as well. And we were, we were fit and strong and, and, and generally what you'd call healthy anyway, but this for us was a game changer. Wasn't it? Neil? Um,

Speaker 2: (05:08)
I think the aha moment for us as a, as, as I was thinking about it before we started chatting today was really understanding that 95% of how our genes express themselves is really controlled by our lifestyle and environment. So that for me, was like, ah, alright, now that really means that we, as in us individually and all the people we work with and our families are really in the driving seat, it's a bit being able to control their control, their health and how their genes, the genes express themselves. So once you realize that, and as you said in the introduction with epi, the epigenetics being outside or above, so it's the things outside and above that will affect how your genes express themselves. If we can take control of that, which we started to do, and then starting to see the results by taking control of that, all of a sudden it's like, wow, this is pretty cool.

Speaker 2: (05:54)
The other real significant thing was what I needed to do to get my genes expressing a certain way was very different from what you needed to do, and probably different from what your mum needed to do. And very different with the hundreds of people that were taken through the program with what they need to do. So it really did nail down for us that the, this, everything should be truly personalized. It's definitely the way health and fitness is going. It's definitely the way that medicine is going nutrition. If you are not getting a personalized approach to you or medical care to your health and fitness, do nutrition and dietary advice, then you're not getting good advice. It needs to be personalized and tailored to tailor to you. So they were definitely the aha moment so that we are now in control of what we're doing and how we're doing it.

Speaker 1: (06:39)
Yeah. So this has been an, it sort of give you an example from my life. So obviously being an ultra marathon runner doing absolutely stupid long distances. And I remember this sort of came home to me when I ran through New Zealand a few years back and I was running 500 kilometers away, like absolutely ridiculous amount of running, right. You know, not normal, not healthy, not recommended. Um, you know, I was putting on weight and I was like, what the hell is going on here? I was burning muscle and I was putting on fat. Um, so that was for me, like, you know, like for goodness sake, what do I have to do to get lean and, and have, um, a strong, healthy body. This obviously isn't doing it. And it was because I was sending my body into a state of panic and stress. The stress response in the body was holding on to everything.

Speaker 1: (07:31)
And when we looked at my jeans and I went through this program, it actually said that I would match better suited to the shorter shopper high intensity workouts. And combining that with a lot of things like yoga and Pilates to calm my, my nervous system down because I have a body that runs a lot on adrenaline. Uh, and therefore I need to calm it down. So I needed that sort of yin and yang type of training yoga on the one hand and Plavix. And on the other hand, high intensity and actually doing the super long distance slow stuff for hours on end was not optimal for my body. And when I changed that and started to do, uh, more CrossFit style workouts, more circuit training, more high intensity with medium weights for my body type, not heavy, heavy weights, then I got massive results. Uh, and this was on the quarter or at least an a quarter of what I had been doing previously. And that was like, you've got to be coming up to speak 20 years, throw it at the wrong way. And it doesn't mean that I cannot ever do an ultra marathon. It just means that if I am training for an ultra marathon, I need to approach it differently. And I also not a need to not do it back to back because that really isn't healthy. And that's what I was having a lot of, um, problems with as that, especially as I got older. Um, yeah, so let's

Speaker 2: (08:48)
Key thing as well as well. It's just, it's, it's allowed you and ask those, we're working with, to create a user manual for there. For that. It's not, it's not a case of, you know, you, we've what we established from the program, you to your point ultra with the money, wasn't the best thing. It just means that what we can do now is approach that from a programming point of view, a whole lot, a whole lot more wisely,

Speaker 1: (09:13)
It doesn't mean you cannot do your goals. It just means, okay, well, you're going to do it slightly different than, than the guy down the road.

Speaker 2: (09:20)
Exactly, exactly. It was probably good as well. Just following on from what you're saying there, if we, if we're just talking through and looking at the, how much impact environment does have on what you're doing, um, training wise as well. So there's some great research and studies where you've, we've looked into and discussed over the years as well, at least with studies, with identical twins, that same genes. So therefore should be identical. They look identical, but they'd been spent time in different environments. And then as a result, their phenotype, how they look and how they present when we're looking, looking at them is significantly different. Now, a lot of that is going to be driven and triggered by, um, from an environmental point of view could be stress load. It could be type of exercise, could be chronobiology or the time of day that they're doing the things, the social connection they're having either too much of, or lack of and the people around them.

Speaker 2: (10:11)
So those are your listen that high, and you may well been in an environment that you feel that you just thrive in and buzzing, and you can't quite put your finger on it, but you know, that it really energizes you and puts you in flow. That is your genes expressing themselves in a positive way. He will also been in environments where you're like, it just doesn't feel right here. And you feel actually leaves you feeling more unhealthy. You actually find that being in there for prolonged periods, you actually start to change body shape and put weight on because your body's been thrown into a stress response just because of the environment that you're, that you're in. So it's really, really quite fascinating. How, how important the environment is to the point that when we're programming people, now, we're not just thinking about numbers, numbers of squats, type of strength training, or how far they're running and what type of exercise they're doing. We actually think, you know, how much connection are they getting? Is there a place I, their home set up as it should be their workplace, all those things set up to positively influence their, um, their genetic expression. So,

Speaker 1: (11:11)
And that's like, I remember, you know, you telling someone to go home and set up their office space better with plants and so on too, because they spent a lot of time in this environment and it wasn't set up properly, and that was causing their body stress. And that made to the fact that their training wasn't getting the results. You'd go, wow, let's real. We were, you know, that's real sort of like weird, but they came back the four weeks later and going, Oh my God, well, it's different. Same age. Cause I was in an environment that I was happy in and therefore my stress levels throughout the day were lower and therefore I got better results and it has a knock on effect. And it's a cumulative thing. You know, if you are, if you're sleeping at the right times for your biology, for your genes, if you are eating at the right times.

Speaker 1: (11:54)
So one of the, so this is, um, this program that we are trained in and, and, uh, educated them is been something that's been developed by hundreds of scientists. So the science behind this as just absolutely phenomenal and both new and nice science nerds. So we'd like to pull everything apart and make sure that, uh, you know, all this learning that we're doing and all this sort of information makes sense. And actually as robust, as far as the clinical trials behind it, the information behind it. Uh, and it's, it's been mind blowing to, to see scientists across so many different science disciplines. And this is what is really fascinating with program that we do as it's, it's, uh, taking, not the old traditional siloed approach of, you know, one science might be embryology and another science anthropometry, and another one is neuroscience and they're all separate.

Speaker 1: (12:48)
This is where, uh, you know, hundreds of scientists have collaborated across 15 different science disciplines to give us and using AI artificial intelligence and these massive computing ability that we now have to be able to take, uh, information about you and your genes, which has done through a questionnaire, not done through actual DNA. Like you're not spitting into a viral in this case. Um, this is a different way. And it's collecting a teen thousand bits of data about you, your ancestry, your, uh, ratios, body, uh, parts, uh, measurements of all the body, uh, color, behave, the color of your eyes, looking at the, all the genetic markers. Do you have a widow's peak, um, his ring finger longer than your index finger, all these weird sort of, uh, measurements are taken. And what this does is it gives them information about what genes are actually in play in this person and how more importantly these are expressing right now. So that from that information, we can take the, the, the, the reports, if you like that this gives us to actually build a program that will help your entire health performance, your wellbeing, uh, and all of that into account. So it's been a, an, a, an amazing ride for us. Isn't it? Neil?

Speaker 2: (14:16)
Yeah, massively, massively. So all that information, it's a once, once you've got it and you throw that into, it's amazing what you can, what you can, what you can do. Some of the other examples. And once you've got that information, then one of the questions that we started the started the podcast with was just people not getting results. So imagine joining a 12 week program of some sort of the intention of losing, losing weight or changing shape, or putting on some lean tissue and totally not responding to it. So there's a lot of, lot of studies we've looked at where people are just nonresponsive and factory responders. So no response to the exercise nutrition they're using. And that could be simply speaking with information. Lisa was just talking about, there is rather than going to try, for example, bootcamp at six in the morning for 12 weeks, with a recommended nutrition and realize that throughout the process, you either don't respond or you actually changed shape by putting on adipose tissue and body fat.

Speaker 2: (15:12)
If you knew that that time in the morning, wasn't a good time for you to be training the type of food that you were eating. Wasn't the right type of food for you and the people you're hanging out with doing it just wasn't suiting your, your body and health site. And all of a sudden you can flip that and then join a program that actually works for your works, your body. This is where it becomes so valuable, so valuable. It takes away the trial and error. It takes away the guesswork, and really now starts to increase motivation and adherence because you're actually feeling like you're you, that's the other massive support as well is it's okay to be you. It's all right, to be unique. It's all right to be you. And there's so many messages out there in the health and wellness and fitness world that kind of points to the fact that we should be a certain way. And it's all right to be different. It's all right. To do it in a different way and follow a different path that gets you, gets you different.

Speaker 1: (16:04)
Yeah. I mean, I'll give you an example here of my, my husband, um, Heisley, uh, I used to make him get up at 5:00 AM and do a CrossFit workout. And, um, and this was actually a disaster for his body type. He put on weight and he didn't feel good and he didn't enjoy it. Um, and when we did the epigenetics program with him, we now understood why, because his hormones for example, are replacing themselves at that era of the morning. So I was smashing as testosterone production. So that's not a good thing ever because I was doing it at the wrong time of the day. So chronobiology is a very big piece of the puzzle. Uh, the, the type of exercise that he was doing, which was CrossFit style. So it was really hard, high intensity back to back, no breaks in between the sets type training.

Speaker 1: (16:56)
Now this caused and him, he's got a slow ATP, uh, replenishing in the cells is that there's a bit slower than say in my, my genetics. So he needs to be doing heavier weights, but slower, uh, set. So he needs a rest in between each set and to be doing slower, heavy weights, whereas I'm better to do sets back to back to back. So I'm getting a cardiovascular workout and muscle workout at the same time, and I can do that. Um, so when I was training him the wrong way for him, that was just causing chaos in his body, um, causing an inflammatory response, knocking down as hormones, uh, knocking his sleep patterns around because that's a time when he should be asleep at 5:00 AM in the morning, very important for his genotype. Um, and all this sort of thing was a really a bad pattern.

Speaker 1: (17:48)
And you would've that the discipline that he showed and the, and the hard work that he was putting in, he should be getting a results. Now he does more long distance ultra marathon type running, and that's perfectly suited to his body type and his genotype. He is very slow start to the day. So he doesn't get up early and go and smash himself. He waits to later on the day, if it's lifestyle will allow that, and we can get into working in the gray a little bit later. Um, but he's been here in the afternoon. If he does this training, he should not eat an early breakfast. He should not be eating into at least 10 o'clock if not longer. And he's more suited to doing a fasting. So overnight fasting, if he can and eating a little bit later, uh, then has his food style should be, um, two to three meals, a day, bigger meals, but two to three, uh, and he should be having a, sort of a low carb, low protein at nighttime.

Speaker 1: (18:47)
He doesn't, he shouldn't definitely not be eating carbs late into the night because that's really, really bad for his, uh, epigenetic type. If you like. So all of this information, now he can take that away and go, you doesn't do it all all the time. I mean, let's be honest, life gets in the way, and sometimes you want a glass of wine at night and that's fine, but he's making that choice then with the knowledge that that's not really ideal for him, but he has the ability to pick the training program that now suits his body type to work out at the right time of the day. And to do all these other things, like what time of the day is his brain going to be working best? Where does he best? So his intellectual work, when is it best to have a social interactions, all this information, um, that has really been a game changer, isn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 2: (19:32)
Yeah. Massively. And if I use my own personal examples on the, on the flip side, I want to be calling my system in the evening when Hayes is going to be coming into his own a little bit more. So he'll still be able to be quite low and productive personally, for me, I want to be calming my system the evening to calm my cortisol levels. Um, calm my hormones and let my, let my body body settle. I'm much better early in the morning. Um, early morning training works from my perspective. So you get quite a contrast and those of you understand or have heard about, um, somatotypes before or body shapes. So you've got your, um, ectomorph your mesomorph and you're in the morph body shapes. So the example there hazy sitting more on the endomorph side, and I'm sitting more on the X more side.

Speaker 2: (20:17)
So with that, you get quite different needs. So with how the body responds, my body doesn't respond well to, um, to high amounts of weight. My body would generally break my body's more rigid and more fragile haze. His body. You can put a lot more resistance through a lot more weight and hair respond very well to it. Are we better at faster or higher endurance, higher intensity? Hey, this is going to be better, a longer distance slow and steady. Now, again, once we got this information, we can know where we're no, we're at the, we've a lot about exercise and nutrition and just giving the example of how you use on three meals a day. He's, body's going to be better fasting, whereas my body will need more like five meals a day. Um, I'm less likely to, um, break my food down. So will a low amount of stomach acid.

Speaker 2: (21:03)
So I have to be careful that my food is well cooked and easy, easy to break down. So all these little nuggets of gold that you get, and you start to see just comparing me and Hayes, how people are very, very different. So if I were, let's look at a fasting program for long periods, um, it wouldn't be as beneficial for me, more carbs to me, cause it's going to fuel my brain more effectively for Hayes. If he was looking at fasting, he is going to be a better thing for him to be, to be doing. So all those diets and recommendations around food that are out there, people often ask me is fasting good? Yes, it is good. And it's good. It's great for most cases, a certain level for people, but it's a, what level is right. Um, and what each person, what time, um, certain people are going to be more vegetables.

Speaker 2: (21:51)
Certain people are gonna need more, um, more protein in their, in their diet. There's understanding all of these, all of these things. Once you got that information, you can, you can run with it, um, from a hormonal point of view as well. Um, it is going to be different hormones of relevance for each body type and health type as well. And this has a big impact on how people behave, so where we've got some massive wins and it was nice to be lost. As we talked about this lease with, with relationship wise, both with our, with me, with my wife, same with you with Hayes, with us as athlete and coach and his business partners and me with my children as well, and how we interact and communicate with those around us is a massive, massive eye-opener just to really understand more about behavior and personality as a result of the hormones were driven by. So do you want to,

Speaker 1: (22:38)
I went up a little bit, so we don't scrap as much as much as we used to. And you understand me better now? Yeah, because like, uh, just giving the example of me new working in the business as if like coach for many years, uh, I used to drive Neil nuts because I'm so I I'm more in the mesomorph ectomorph mesomorph area. So we have some similarities in the, in the way we like to pull things apart and ask a million questions and so on, but I'm very much an take action now, person all the time and jump in without any preparation, without any planning. And just go, go, go, go, go. Cause that's, I'm driven by driveline is my dominant hormone. Um, dopamine, we both have a problem with dopamine. We don't have enough, so we're always chasing that. So in that way, we're similar.

Speaker 1: (23:25)
But I used to drive Neil nuts with, I would be just tight, always after the new thing, chasing shiny objects all the time, new areas of science to go and chase or whatever. Or I was very much head through the wall as far as go hard or go home all the time and everything that I do. And with Neo, he would take a more planned approach and more strategic approach. You'd look at the bigger picture and so on. And so this caused a lot of tension in the business because I would be going ahead and doing things before he thought we were ready to be doing them. Now we understand that about each other and that he plans and does things more strategically. So what, what we've changed, the roles that each of us have, and we still have the odd time when he's like, Oh, for goodness sake, just slow down.

Speaker 1: (24:17)
But generally speaking, he can now let me take those roles where I'm ripping open opportunities on I'm diving into new areas for us in the future. I'm looking on the, you know, definitely got, um, good visionary skills and so on. And he is cleaning up the mess behind me and putting structure in place into the programs that we're doing and actually making things flow and work properly properly from a myth, a myth, what do you call it? Mythological and methodical approach to things. Um, and so we learned to work better and to just go, Oh, well, that's less going off the deep end again. And you know, he also can reign me in when he can see that I, because I'm so driven by dream land and chasing his own dopamine all the time when I'm starting to spin out of control and get going.

Speaker 1: (25:08)
Cause I had a tendency to go so hard and then crash go hard again, crash. And he can warn me now when he sees and I do listen now, I didn't always, uh, pull back, slow down. You're over-training, you're overworking. You just, just have a bit of time out. And so we can keep each other in check and I can go, come on, Neil, hurry up. We want to get this happening and, and, and can give them a bit of a bomb to get going at times when that's needed. So that's helped us work together. And the same with my husband Haisley, he's what they call a diplomat on these programs. They have different names for the different, uh, somatotypes, uh, phenotypes, and he's very slow to get everything going. Uh, so you have to give them plenty of warning. If I want to go on a, uh, I don't know, a trip or vacation or something, I better give him six months to plan for it.

Speaker 1: (26:00)
Or if I want a fence boat in the back garden, it's gonna take at least a year. And I, if it, if it was me, I would be like, Oh, that's a good idea. And I'd be boating it the next day. And there'll be no planning. And the feds have probably pulled up for library in a couple of years, whereas Haisley would take two years to vote, but it will be done properly if that makes sense. So now we understand that about each other. I give him more heads up more time to get ready for an event change. And he has to just put up with the fact that I'll just keep charging and doing too much,

Speaker 3: (26:38)
But it's really amazing how,

Speaker 1: (26:40)
How much a dominant hormones, uh, fit our personalities and our neuro-transmitters affect our personalities and the which part of the brain we use. And all of this information comes out of the program, which is eye opening in the corporate setting, because you can, um, understand your colleagues better. You can understand how to motivate your, your people that you're working with, your team mates, your, your underlings, you can help them achieve better because you know how to motivate them, you know, what they need and what they don't need. Uh, and what time of the day they'll probably be at their best. And when they won't be, uh, all of these sort of little variants. And so we work in the corporate space and that's been really, really, uh, game changing for a lot of, you know, corporate teams being able to work together and understand each other better and have more empathy with one another. Um, and of course that all affects the bottom line at the end of the day.

Speaker 2: (27:36)
Yeah, it was so, so true. Fun, little, um, fun at work sizer. So listeners can, can do it homeless if we ask them just to hold up one of their hands and look at the difference between their second digit and their fourth digit. So looking at the difference between second and fourth digit or second and second finger ring finger. Now, if you look at those, if you look at the difference in size, um, and if the, the fourth digit or the ring finger is, is quite a bit longer or longer than the second digit, that'll indicate that you're exposed to more, um, the stress hormones or drilling testosterone when you, uh, you were grinding mom's tummy. So that will indicate more from a it's one of the measurements we use as part of the program, but that starts to indicate you're more like the top of person Lisa was describing herself as, so I'm more, would like challenge a lot. Variety would like change would like to jump over the fence first without worrying about what's on the other side and deal with it when she gets over there. Those generally with shorter, um, or fingers, similar length, one shorter, a generally want more organization, or want more structure will want more answers before they jump over the fence. And interestingly, as you look at leases, you'll have,

Speaker 1: (28:50)
Yeah. Longer than mine

Speaker 2: (28:53)
Then on the flip side, mine's similar size. Um, so again, you can start to see the connection between the science, the measurements, the, the, the, the balance, and then the things that are important to that person taking, taking challenge away from Lisa, taking variety away from her, taking, not letting her express herself. So it's real important from Lisa's perspective that she can express herself and let those emotions and feelings out for some of us as not so much of a, not so much of an issue, but there's, there's some people, and you may know them in your family and in your own social circles where you will think they, haven't got a huge amount of filter between brain amounts.

Speaker 2: (29:35)
You know what I'm saying? But he's saying what they think and being able to express themselves. And I think you do that exceptionally well. So, but you also know that if there's ever situations where you've been not allowed to do it, that affects you, you get frustrated and get a stress response, because you're not allowed to, you're not allowed to, um, to, to share that in the same way for me, if I'm asked to make a decision or go in and present something without having the information in lined up, that creates a stress response to me, whereas for you, it excites you more cause it's challenged. So that's what we want to point out to Pete. Everyone that's listening is that it's, it's stress is so individualized as well and how we have a stress response. Once you learn what triggers that in people you're then in a much better position to help control it. And especially in the current environment with this year, there's been so much uncertainty it's really been able to take control of the environment as it is, and then control your, how your body's performing or responding from a stress stress point of view.

Speaker 1: (30:33)
Yeah. We could almost see a, you know, working in the corporate situations that we have been, um, the people that are going to do well in the home environment, you know, working from home environment, uh, and the people who are gonna find that really difficult. And we can sort of see that before they tell us whether that is or not, because we know from their type their, their genetic type, uh, what's what what's going to be a problem for them or not be a problem for them, for me, for example, that that was fantastic. As long as I could get out and do my exercise when they took that away, going out there, it wasn't great, but being able to control my own environment, being able to do things on my time, doing it in my own environment, not having structure and things is actually for me, was fantastic for, for other people. They felt isolated, uh, cut off from the colleagues and, you know, all of that sort of, uh, stress. So that caused them more feelings of loneliness and stress and worry. Um, you know, it's just, everybody reacts differently. And when you understand that person's a driving force, if you like the driving hormones, the driving neurotransmitters, you know, you understand the chemistry that's going on in their body, but better than you can have more empathy with other people too, with your fellow human beings that they aren't all just like you.

Speaker 2: (31:49)
And then the connection between biology and performance and productivity is just, as you can start to connect the dots, because if you maximize your biology performance wise and productivity wise, you'll, you'll see a sustained improvement and, uh, increase increase as well. It's the people, um, then some other, some other good wins just to share with everyone as well. At least it's just, when you understand you're different, you're gonna have different areas. You should focus on the health and fitness industry. Traditionally tells us to focus on nutrition and exercise. And it's one of the, the craziest messages that generally the, the fitness industry has been built by crusaders activators and the, in the earlier days. And therefore it was the message always been around, eat little, um, eat little and often train at high intensity, or, you know, anaerobic threshold stuff, which works. We discussed the today.

Speaker 2: (32:40)
You can see why it worked for a percentage of the population, but there's a lot. It wouldn't, it wouldn't shouldn't work for us. So with that in mind, there's different priority areas that people should look at for some people focusing on their minds and allowing their mind to switch off each day, turning the volume down should, um, should be a priority. And that longterm will help them change shape, lose weight, more than exercise will. Okay. Exercise is still important, but it's my understanding that they've had those particular people, the, the exome Wars have had more development through their nervous system from an embryology point of view. So when they were growing in mum's tummy, um, the, the exome was had more energy put into it. So it was developed more extensively. So therefore they're going to have a high developed nervous system and their brains going to raise a whole lot faster.

Speaker 2: (33:28)
So the brain is racing faster, switching it off is there's going to be key others. If I had development in different areas where food, for example is like kindling to their sort of fire, they put food in their burn through equipment. So they're going to need more, more food more regularly, and they're gonna need more movement more regularly than other types. Um, and then they're going to need to, as they move in regularly, they can need to rest hard as well. So the recipe for each person is going to be different. Others are going to need to know that their family, their friends around them, uh, safe and well, because that will allow them to start getting the results they're going to need good social interaction to boost hormones like oxytocin. That's going to be key. So point is that the guidebook rule, the rule book, you're talking about creating your own guide book for your own body. It's going to be a different, a different book for each person.

Speaker 1: (34:19)
Yeah, it does really well. Uh, so give me an example of that. So my mum is what they call a guardian, one of the bio-type names, um, and for her, her top priority area is social. So I want to, as you, as a trainer, as your coach, as a rehabilitation person, after her aneurysm, I want to focus on food and exercise because that's what would suit me. Um, and where I think she can get, you know, Geneva, a lot of it, obviously, because she needs to rehabilitate her ability to move and so on. But at the top of her priority is social. So if she is not feeling connected and loved and supported, and that her family is that a got place, she's not going to be interested in exercising right. Or eating, right. She won't, she'll be eating the wrong food. She won't want to exercise.

Speaker 1: (35:08)
She won't be motivated and so on and so forth. So I have to make sure that she's mentally and socially meaning her family and her friends circle that she's getting good, happy, social interactions that she's happy where family's at. And if that's all good, she will do the work. So for some, for me, sometimes as a coach, that means letting her go off to the movies with their sister instead of taking her to the gym. And that's a big jump for me, because for me it's all about, but you should be moving 10 times a day, you know? Um, but understanding that when she does, and she has that time and that connection with her sister or a friend, that's going to enable her to actually come back and then exercise better and be more able, because she's not stressed out to focus on her food and their exercise. If that makes sense,

Speaker 2: (36:00)
That side, at least that's a gold gold example. So I think the biggest thing for the lessons to be hopefully taken away is that it's all right to be you, it's all right, to be different. You should be different. And if you've been struggling in any way to get any results in any aspect of your life from a, from a work and corporate point of view with yourself personally, or those that you're managing or driving, um, from your health and fitness perspective and sport and performance from a parenting or relationship side, then start to realize that you need a unique plan. You need a personalized plan, and you need to look at yourself as an individual and challenge those around you that are giving you advice, ask them what's, what's going to be best for me because there's so much science evidence and research out there. And we are all, all our experience with the people we've taken through the program. Once you personalize it, the results start to come a whole lot quicker.

Speaker 1: (36:59)
Absolutely. In all areas of life, as we said, not just your food and exercise cause that's, uh, you know, that's only a piece of the pie, um, in, in this program, as we said, um, if anyone wants to check it out, we do hold a webinar every couple of weeks, a public webinar that you can just register, um, and rotate you through the whole science side of it so that you can understand what is in behind it to, to, to a certain degree, at least in a, what we can do in an hour. Um, and to understand the implications of what we've been talking about today and how it can actually benefit you. Um, if you are interested in doing that, I'll put the link in the show notes, but it's just epigenetics.lisatamati.com to register for that webinar. And you can come and hang out with us and find out a little bit more.

Speaker 1: (37:46)
Um, and if you, if you want more information around this, otherwise, um, you don't want to wait for the webinar, just hop on over to my website at lisatamati.com And go to the, working with us tab and you'll find the epigenetics program near. And it all explained, um, this is, you know, this is apart from this program, the whole of medicine, the whole of the genetic testing, uh, the epigenetic programs like this, it's all going towards personalizing everything to your set of genes and your environment and optimizing that. And this goes right through from your, the medications that you're taking right through to the food that you're eating, you know, right across the board. So it's, uh, I'm really, really excited for the stuff that's coming down, the, the lines now from a point of view, because that's what Neil and I do is we just spend every waking moment that we're not actually coaching and working study and finding the latest stuff and always upgrading it.

Speaker 1: (38:47)
And I'm just absolutely ecstatic at the stuff that's coming down the pipelines now, and the information that we can get. And it's like, why didn't we get taught all this stuff, you know, and this is why I'm passionate about this podcast, getting these experts on and sharing their insights into the latest science, if you like sometimes before it's ever got to the medical schools or the textbooks or the, uh, you know, it's stuff that you need to know about now. And, um, this program is really, really exciting. So check that out at epigenetics.lisatamati.com Register for the webinar in a couple of weeks, uh, every two weeks we hold one. So you can find out more about it, um, new or anything else that you wanted to add on onto there. Just go and be, go be you to be you, if it feels right, if it doesn't question it, question it, I think if you don't, even if you don't do the program and you don't want to do this.

Speaker 1: (39:43)
And so on question with the CrossFit that you are doing, or the ultra marathon running you were doing, or the keto diet that you're doing, or the paleo diet, is it working for me? If not try something else, if you want to cut out the trial in the Euro though, come and check out what were you doing? But if it just because it's getting results for your friend down the road does not mean it will get results for you. And that's probably the biggest takeaway, understand unique, love it, loose. Love it. Thank you. Awesome. Well, thanks guys for listening today. If you enjoy the show, please give us a rating and review. We hit the top 200 in the world now, and that health and fitness genres. So everybody who has given us a rating and review on iTunes or any of the other platforms, we really, really appreciate you.

Speaker 1: (40:31)
We love feedback on the show, uh, everything that we're doing, and if you do enjoy it, please share it with your friends and your context, because it's only through that, that we can keep this going. Um, it is a labor of love and, um, it takes up a heck of a lot of time and energy to produce these podcasts and get them out there. Uh, some really do appreciate your support in that area as well. And if you've got any questions for Neil arrive, um, come check us out at lisatamati.com, Where we're happy to help you. There is the contact details on there, and we'll hopefully see you again next week.

Speaker 4: (41:06)
That's it this week for pushing the limits, be sure to write review and share with your friends and take over and visit Lisa and her team at lisatamati.com

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