Doctors Robert Rowen is a world renown Ozone and oxidative medicine clinician who creates personalized treatment plans that strive to address both the symptoms and the underlying causes of disease.

The most common being energy-blocking "interference fields",  toxins in the body, a compromised metabolism, stress, unbalanced emotions, and poor nutrition. Removing these hindrances often helps your body to heal.

Dr Rowen uses a myriad of therapies including Ozone therapy which we do a deep dive into in this interview. Ozone and the other forms of oxidative medicine he uses helps people recover from chronic pain, chronic fatigue, arthritis, Lyme Disease, autoimmune disorders, chronic infections, immune/allergy issues, and cardiac/circulatory system conditions. The Clinic also provides supportive therapies for patients challenged with cancer.
The Need for an Innovative Approach Western medicine has made great strides in emergency medicine and surgical techniques. Despite this progress, some ailments stubbornly resist conventional treatment. There is also increasing evidence that some pharmacological treatments do more harm than good. For patients with difficult medical conditions, "incurable" diseases, and for those who seek to restore their health, standard medical practices are usually not the answer.
About Dr Rowen 
Doctor Robert Rowen has been practicing medicine for more than three decades. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Johns Hopkins University before attending medical school at the University of California, San Francisco. Following medical school and residency, he attained Board certification in two fields: Family Practice and Emergency Medicine. Finding that pharmacological medicine could do more harm than good, Doctor Rowen made the leap to integrative medicine in the 1980's. He practiced in Alaska from 1979 to 2001 before joining Dr. Su in Santa Rosa in 2001.

Dr. Rowen has developed an international reputation for pioneering work in oxidation and other innovative medical treatments. He spearheaded Alaska's first initiative to provide statutory protection for integrative medical treatments and was appointed to the Alaska State Medical Board. He is a frequent lecturer on oxidation, food and nutrition, the limitations of conventional Western medicine and other topics. Dr. Rowen uses YouTube and Facebook to provide public insight into his approach, often accompanied by commentary from his patients.

Dr. Rowen has received awards from the American College for Advancement of Medicine (ACAM), International Oxidation Medicine Association (IOMA), Society for Oxidative and Photonic Medicine (SOPMed), American Academy of Ozonotherapy (AAO), and other organizations for his work in oxidation medicine and advocacy for medical freedom. Dr. Rowen was awarded the Cancer Control Society's Humanitarian Award in 2013.
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Speaker 1: (00:01)
Welcome to pushing the limits. The show that helps you reach your full potential with your host. Lisa Tamati brought to you by

Speaker 2: (00:12)
Today, I have an exciting episode with dr. Robert Rowan, who is a oxidative medicine specialist in ozone clinician from center Rosa in California. Dr. Robin is a world renowned practitioner in oxidative medicine. He graduated from the John Hopkins university and before going into integrative medicine as well. Now, dr. Rowan is going to be talking in depth about ozone therapy in particular today, but also oxidative medicine. We did a session a couple of weeks back with Kim Sexton of who has ozone machines in New Zealand. And if anyone is wanting to find out more about ozone and you, if you were in New Zealand or Australia, then please you can contact Kim Sexton and listen to that episode as well. But in this episode, we do a really, really deep dive with Dr. Rob into the ins and outs of ozone therapy, what it can be used for and the dangers and the, the therapies involved.

Speaker 2: (01:17)
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Speaker 2: (02:08)
Well, hi everyone. It's Lisa Tamati here at pushing the limits today. I have a really, really special trade. One of the world's leading experts and ozone therapy and oxidative medicine is to guest with me today on the show dr. Robert Rowan, who is from California. So thank you very much, dr. Rowan for joining me today. I'm super excited to have you on the show. So thank you very much for, for coming on and sharing your, your amazing wisdom. Dr. Ron, can you give us a little bit of background about the work that you do and your, your clinic and in particular about ozone ozone therapy, I've been doing those on since 1986 and it changed my life. We use those on, in many different applications and aspects. One of the large you'll have to forgive

Speaker 3: (03:00)
Me. My I'm not sick. I just it's in here. W I do a lot of work in chronic fatigue, Lyme disease sea foods, and ozone is almost a miracle for these people. It, it's not a hundred percent. I don't want your viewers to think that anything is a hundred percent. We'll get back to that. In a moment, I do a lot of ozone for knees joints and rebuilding tissues. And if I, like I said, I started in 1986. And when I saw the first machine I looked at, I said, ozone, that's an oxidant. Aren't we supposed to be scared of oxidants. The answer to that is no, our body is all about oxidation. There's oxygen out here in the air. We breathe it. Yeah, it's an oxidant. It's not as powerful as ozone, but PO's on his oxygen. And our own body makes ozone and most people don't know this. It may close on his part of our defense against diseases like COVID other viruses and bacteria and our bodies make a whole host of oxidants, including bleach, hydrogen peroxide, ozone nitric, oxide, something called singlet oxygen, super oxide, and more. And this is our part of our bodies. Army are defenses against infection, and it leads to a lot of really quite good things. We wouldn't be here if we didn't have it. And if we do ozone therapy, we're just augmenting natural processes.

Speaker 2: (04:46)
Right. It's because I, you know, I've been a little bit confused in the research that I've been doing. Cause I was like you said, originally going, hang on oxidative, oxidants aren't we meant to be running away from having oxidative stress in our cells and anti taking antioxidants. And so on, on reactive oxygen species is meant to be a bad thing. And here we are introducing an oxidant into the body. So I was a little bit like, how does that work? Is it like a hermetic stress when you introduce ozone into the body that it creates a cascade of feet? Is that what's going on?

Speaker 3: (05:21)
There's something called hormesis. How do you adapt to anything? All organisms adapt by a stress stress by itself. Isn't necessarily bad. If I want to build muscles, for example, I pump and that creates stress on the muscles and the muscles adapt. They get bigger, hopefully and stronger ozone is the same thing. It's like a controlled burn that stimulates our anti burning defenses so that our immune system is much more robust. Yep.

Speaker 2: (05:59)
Okay. So now, dr. Rowan, you have a really interesting story. Now, when I heard the story about you going to Sierra Leone a few years ago, when the Ebola crisis was fallen swing, would you mind sharing the story? I've heard it on Dave Asprey's show who I absolutely love and adore what he does. The work that he does is absolutely fantastic. He's had a massive influence on my life without knowing it all the great people that he's brought to the show. But he so he told, told the story in that interview about the Ebola crisis. And you looked at the biochemistry of this virus, this horrible, horrific virus that was taking over there, and you thought, hang on, ozone could do something here. And you went down to Sierra Leone. Could you pick up that story for us?

Speaker 3: (06:52)
I knew that ozone would work. I just knew it because the biochemistry of the Ebola virus and COVID virus it shows us that there's some key vulnerabilities on the viral coat. It could be knocked out by ozone that's, the sustainable of ourselves have that same vulnerability too, but ourselves can repair it, viruses and bacteria cannot repair it. So it's it's analogous to this. Here are my fingers and the viral coats have something called soft hydro groups. There's an amino acid called cysteine C Y S T E I N E. And it is active by thinkers called SOFE hydro groups. If those fingers get chopped, now it's not active anymore. And it can't get into the cookie jar. So I thought this would be useful. Somebody put me in touch with the doctor in Sierra Leone who knew the president, and we were extended and official presidential invitation to go.

Speaker 3: (08:03)
And I recruited a buddy of mine, Howard Robbins, who didn't want to go at first. I said, he said, you're crazy. I said, I'll go. And then he thought about it for a moment. He said, wait a minute. You're not going to get all the credit for a method that I used. He came to, and while we were there, the government shut down the project through the ministry of health. And we strongly believe, and based on some credible evidence that pharma did this, they shut it down because it would've just been too dangerous that if $5 treatment would cure Ebola and therein lies the problem. So we shut down, but we managed to get the five people after the fact. And we published it in the African journal of infectious diseases. Wow. All five patients recovered.

Speaker 2: (08:57)
Wow. And this is a disease that had an up to 90% death rate from, from memory. So 60%, okay. 60%. So those five people, and that must have been absolutely devastating for you. You know, you're in the middle of training, the doctors and health professionals, they're like, I was hit in the, in the gonads. I can imagine really, because it really it's big money and big pharma. Who's probably come in and shut this down so that they can sell their drugs instead. And because ozone is not going to make anybody rich, anytime soon it shut down. And this is something that you're seeing, you know, quite a lot of the, sort of this war going on, it would say there's a, there's a war going on. We think that's true. Yeah. And I think, you know, like shows like this. So that's why they're important because they make people aware of what's going on and make people ask questions and look outside the standard standard of care to, to therapies that are, that are really, really powerful. So okay. So in the light today of the Corona virus, do you see ozone as having a big role to play in, in helping people in dire straits with this? Can it perhaps knock out the Corona virus? I know we'd have to be careful what we say, but well we have free speech here and I'm not, I can say what I believe.

Speaker 3: (10:31)
I believe that ozone would be the treatment of choice for this virus. I said that in articles that I published in the peer review journal, I believe it's the ideal antiviral I would want to get to the patient before they're in dire straits. If they're in dire straits, they're in dire straits, you want to get too long before that. And you want to start treating them early because I mean, any, any physician will tell you it's better to take care of something earlier rather than later.

Speaker 2: (11:00)
Absolutely. Absolutely. And there is a lot of work going on around the world with ozone in comp and sometimes in combination with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is something that I've been very vocal about and, and used a lot and had a clinic here. Do you see that that's a really good combination is ozone and hyperbarics sort of related in a way

Speaker 3: (11:29)
They're all oxygen based therapies. Hyperbaric is an oxygenation therapy. Ozone is more of an oxidation therapy, but they all, they all possess some similar properties.

Speaker 2: (11:46)
And that's the whole point of both of these therapies or one of the main ones is delivering oxygen, hypoxic

Speaker 3: (11:53)
Tissue and getting more oxygen. Can you explain the 03? And so oxygen is O2. We know that ozone is O3, once it gets into the bloodstream. And we'll talk about delivery mechanisms in a moment what's it actually doing when it gets inside? Can you explain the mechanisms of action there? All right. Well, we breathe out. So here you have 02 in a lightening bolt or an electric discharge or ultraviolet splits it and oxygen goes careening off to an Oh two. And now you have all three. It's not a very stable molecule. It's got a half-life in Romero of about 30 minutes. And then it composes back to O2, but is extremely reactive oxygen in the air is not that reactive. If it was, we would burn up, but you need a source of ignition. Do you understand that? Yup. Yup. Mixed gasoline and air.

Speaker 3: (12:52)
And you need a source of ignition for it to ignite. Yup. So oxygen alone. Doesn't do it. Ozone carries the ignition. It carries the spark. When ozone is given to a, somebody, a whole cascade of things happens, ozone reacts instantly with blood components. One of the things that it does that incites is an increase in something called two, three DGP, which enables red cells to deliver more oxygen to tissues. So in that sense, it's an oxygenation treatment. Those would also improves red blood cell flexibility. So we can get through the red cell is bigger than a capillary. Yeah. And it can't get through the red cell has to flex to get through. So it improves that ozone seems to stimulate mitochondrial oxygen consumption. Okay. Mitochondria are the furnaces of the bite of the cells that have power packs that make the energy. So they are going to use a lot more.

Speaker 3: (13:56)
I think up to 50 times, the amount of oxygen when, when, when no, the mitochondria are in all cells and they're dependent upon getting oxygen to make energy. Now your white blood cells fight infection. And when they're fighting infection, they need 50 to 100 times more oxygen than they do when they're at rest. Wow. Anything you can do to get oxygen to them is going to help them. So hyperbaric will help them by getting more oxygen. Ozone will help them by assisting with oxygen. Ozone also stimulates a modulation of the immune system, sort of immune system is overactive like this. It brings it into balance like this that's underactive. It brings it back into balance. Ozone modulates, the immune system, ozone stimulate certain enzymes. One is called heme originates, which is an anti inflammatory enzyme. Ozone increases the NF, our pathway, which is an anti aging antioxidant pathway. And it's one of the most fabulous substances ever seen in medicine, but it's not used much because it can't be patented. So it's not pushed only people who think are using it

Speaker 2: (15:17)
As was some of these broad spectrum medicines as again therapies. It is the, the age old problem of you can't patent something. So therefore it's of no use to anybody doing you know, randomized control trials. So, okay. So, so ozone is very, very powerful when it gets into the body. Something I was trying to understand it doesn't make hydrogen peroxide. And isn't the hydrogen peroxide like a disinfectant

Speaker 3: (15:51)
Oh, zone itself is a disinfectant. Ultraviolet is a disinfectant. Bleach is a disinfected. Our body makes bleach, our body makes hydrogen peroxide. Wow. Ozone does work through hydrogen peroxide mechanisms.

Speaker 2: (16:09)
So it's, it does it when it, when it first enters the bloodstream, it cause as you said, it's very reactive. So it doesn't stay in its stable state very long. It, it pings off and starts to do different things. Does it, is it creating the hydrogen peroxide and please, you know, I might get this all wrong. And then it's becoming, you know, oxidants that are then doing their job in different parts of the body.

Speaker 3: (16:38)
When I was on enters the blood, it reacts instantly and it creates a downstream cascade of what we call ozone eyes. Hydrogen peroxide is one of them. Aldehydes cyclic oxygen compounds are still oxidants, but not as powerful as ozone those on reacts instantly. It's gone instantly. And then it leaves behind the, what we call these reactive oxygen species. And they do the work.

Speaker 2: (17:11)
They do the work cause we've, we've been 29. And just going back to the beginning of the conversation, that reactive oxygen species of dangerous things, and they ping around the cell and cause damage, everything has to

Speaker 3: (17:22)
Being balanced,

Speaker 2: (17:23)

Speaker 3: (17:24)
Here's the best way I can explain it. You're a woman. You have both testosterone and estrogen in your body. It's the balance for you? And I have the same hormones and it's a different balance for me. All right. So reactive oxygen species are in balance in our body. We cannot live without them, right? But if you get too much of them in certain forms, it can be deleterious when COVID or Ebola stimulates, what's called a cytokine storm, which is how people are dying. Now you're having overwhelmingly too much.

Speaker 2: (18:01)
So this was the immune system overreacting and sending out too many soldiers to fight the battle and actually shooting everything good, bad. And the ugly thing in sight,

Speaker 3: (18:11)
Those on ozone could help modulator

Speaker 2: (18:13)
That modulate. So it's a modulator. So if it's overreacting or underreacting, it will bring it into balance. Everything seems to be in medicine. The more I study, the more I learned that everything's a Goldie locks

Speaker 3: (18:26)
Principle, isn't it? Everything is Goldilocks. Everything has to be imbalanced. Look, they talk about the earth position from the sun is the Goldilocks zone, right? Everything is balanced. Yeah. Everything was when you when you're carrying a shopping bag, you're putting a stress on your body, your body adapts and reacts to it. It has to, and that's what life is about for both plants and animals is adaptation. So we're doing what controlled adaptation here and it's helping the immune system build its muscle.

Speaker 2: (19:00)
Wow. Okay. So can you can we now pivot a little bit into ultraviolet radiation because this is one of the other oxidative medicines that I I believe you're an expert and, and know about, can you earn, and this is something that has really, I've never heard of it prior to learning about you is what is ultraviolet radiation? And can you give us a little bit of the history of it and how is it being used today still?

Speaker 3: (19:32)
Yeah, this is provide Ozon was developed in Europe, although Nicola Tesla patented in American generator and around 1900 or so, ultra violet was developed here originally. And there was a machine called the knot, K N O T T hemo radiator. There's still a couple on the planet and it is a phenomenal treatment and it was published. There's a whole series of articles that came out in the late 30s through the 40s. Lots of them on its use in infection. And it is a sister therapy of ozone. It is an oxidation therapy because ultraviolet has ionizing radiation and it kicks off an electron. So it's considered an it's in the family of oxidation therapies. The two have very similar longterm mechanisms of actions and the articles that were published in our literature and the 1940s were simply stunning when it came to infection.

Speaker 2: (20:35)
Wow. And what is it actually doing in the body? So you're delivering the light somehow into the

Speaker 3: (20:41)
Delivering light to the blood, the blood absorbs ultraviolet. And then that simulates a series reactions, not too dissimilar to ozone.

Speaker 2: (20:51)
Right. Is it, is it a bit like photo synthesis for clowns? You know, is it the miter totally different? I thought, well, maybe they've got photo receptors on the mitochondria and that's, what's actually causing it. So, no, it's not

Speaker 3: (21:05)
In the case of ultraviolet blood drips down a chamber here on this side and light is coming through here and striking the blood as it goes. And that causes chemical changes in the blood similar to what ozone does. Wow.

Speaker 2: (21:24)
Okay. And is this still being used today? Because I know Ema Knott was very he had off awful travels didn't they? He, he, he was the man who invented this originally and got shut down again by people, shall we say? Can you, again some sort of mafia came along and shut down his his work along with, with other people

Speaker 3: (21:54)
Actually in his case, their company went out of business, went out of business because tomorrow's Fishbein who ran the American medical association. One of the pieces of this company, you said no to Maurice can have it. So Mara's felt to destroy the company and he set up a bogus study and this is what, I'm, what I've learned. And between that, and the advent of antibiotics, antibiotics were just coming out. Then it's very easy to give somebody a pill. It was a lot easier than to do a blood treatment. Yeah. So the company actually went out of business, but some of the machines survived

Speaker 2: (22:36)
And nowadays there are other people looking into this area of science again. Oh yes. So we can get access to new machinery. Are you doing this type of therapy?

Speaker 3: (22:48)
I do ultraviolet in my office. I'm very happy with it.

Speaker 2: (22:53)
Okay. Cause I, I don't, I'm not aware of it, anybody doing it down here, I'd be very interested to find out if it's still being done or people are picking that up again because all of these, is it similar to photo biomodulation or is that a different thing again? And low level laser therapy,

Speaker 3: (23:12)
Laser therapy is different. It's a different mechanism. It's different. It's different than this. Yeah. This is actually frankly, irradiating the blood it's rewriting radiating the blood with ultraviolet and it's not just ultraviolet. It's several different spectrums, but with ultraviolet being the main ultraviolet, let's see being the main spectrum.

Speaker 2: (23:33)
Wow. Okay. So something to do more research on and learn more about what's the, what's the ozone now, there are different ways of delivering it. And I, I've got a ozone cast here and there are certain things that I can do and certain things that I can't do as a, as a lay person in my home. Can you explain the different types of therapies and what, which ones are the most powerful and including the prolotherapy and protozoan injections, which I believe you do as well. And the other ways that you can get ozone into the body,

Speaker 3: (24:11)
There's, you can give ozone every way to the body that you want to give. Except one, you can't breathe, you can't breathe. It, it will be harmful to the lungs, but it can be given in the blood. You can make those on water and drink it. You can put it through a stethoscope, into your ears. Women can take it into their vagina. Oh, sexes can do rectal. I've put it in the bladder. I've injected the man's prostate. I inject joints muscle under the skin really, really safe. The only downside is if you don't do it right, it can stink. The injection itself can stink. It can be uncomfortable. But other than that, it's extraordinarily safe. I've done many, many thousands of these with not a hitch.

Speaker 2: (25:03)
And, and so we were doing IV therapies. This is a doctor only medical way of delivering it. Is that the most powerful way and like 10 paths or,

Speaker 3: (25:17)
Yeah. Those what you're trying to do. If you had a local vaginal problem, would you take it IV? No. You would take vaginal. Know if you have a local joint problem, you would take it in your joint. But if you have a systemic problem and COVID is systemic, or you have Lyme disease, which doesn't exist in Australia, I think, you know that yeah. Medical authorities don't believe that there is such a thing as Lyme disease. The American CDC says there's 300,000 new cases every year in this country. Wow. But if you have Lyme disease or a systemic problem then you want to do it systemically in your blood.

Speaker 2: (26:05)
Okay. And there is 10 past therapy. Can you explain what team passes as opposed to just a normal life? Yes.

Speaker 3: (26:13)
Therapy is very high dose ozone it's high dose. Yeah. The standard ozone therapy involves taking 200 CCS of blood and maybe 8,000 micrograms of ozone in that blood with 10 pass therapy, we're giving 144,000 micrograms. Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2: (26:40)
[So it's basically taking the blood out, putting the ozone, putting the blood back in and repeating that process 10 times. So we're just really is this for really acute cases where you're, you know, you've run out of options. And I think we have that here in New Zealand. I don't think we have any doctor doing that type of procedure, unfortunately, down under, or at least in New Zealand, perhaps in Australia. But, but rectally and ear and supplication and so on is just as powerful.

Speaker 3: (27:13)
No, it's not, I don't think it's just as powerful, but I believe the end result will probably be very similar

Speaker 2: (27:21)
If we haven't repeated. Yeah. can I help with brain injury? I've have just released a book relentless, which tells the story of bringing my mum back after a mess of aneurysm. They've toured with major brain damage at age four 74. And I did hyperbaric oxygen therapy with her, which was an absolute cornerstone of her therapy along with a lot of other things. And I'm only just now getting to the ozone, can that help with brain damage? I mean, she's now normal, but yeah, it can help.

Speaker 3: (27:54)
I would do ozone for any sort of damage because any damage involves low oxygen and getting more oxygen is critically important.

Speaker 2: (28:03)
Yep. Would the ear insufflation given that we hear, like, for example, can't get Ivy, we can't get anything else. Would that be enough?

Speaker 3: (28:17)
Everything is relative. It depends. I know people it's, I know some people have fixed their hearing, their dizziness, it fixed the respiratory infections. I've heard of the arrows on doing all kinds of things. And by the way, your viewers should know that home ozone demonstration is available for a donation of 20 us dollars toes on without borders, ozone, http://www.ozonewithoutborders... made a video of all the homos on methods and donated it to that organization to get proceeds.

Speaker 2: (28:54)
Okay. So that was http://www.ozonewithoutborders...

Speaker 3: (28:59)
And as in Nancy, G as in George, O as in Oscar.

Speaker 2: (29:03)
Okay. We'll put that in the show notes. So people can go and buy that for $20 us and get an explanation of how to set up your own home therapy, which is absolutely brilliant. Cause it is quite complicated and you need to know what you're doing and the dangers in relation to, to the lungs. Okay. Well, doctor Dr. Rowan, I just want to thank you so much for your time today. I really, really appreciate it. I, you know, it's pretty late over there. I think so. I don't want to take up too much of your time, but I just want to thank you for the work that you've been doing in this area and for sharing this, the oxidative medicine and ozones therapy all around the world. I mean, you are one of the topics fits in the world, so sick to get you know, a bit of time with you today has been a true honor.

Speaker 2: (29:49)
And I really, really thank you for all the work that you're doing. Thank you for having me. I hope it helps in our website. People should go to that. Cause I got information and articles that I published there. It's dr. Rowan,, D R R O W E N D R SU, .com, dr. Rowan, Okay. I'll make sure that that gets in the show notes and if anybody has questions, they can, they can reach out to you there. So thank you very much for your time today. I really, really appreciate it, dr. Rowan.

Speaker 2: (30:28)
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